NY Senate race, debate in Manhattan: on Technology


Hillary Clinton: Against charging for e-mail

The debate’s moderator asked Clinton and Lazio: “How you stand on federal bill 602p?” “I have no idea,” Clinton interjected. The moderator went on: “Under the bill that’s now before Congress, the U.S. Postal Service would be able to bill e-mail users 5 cents for each e-mail they send. They want this to help recoup losses of about $230 million a year because of the proliferation of e-mail. So I’m wondering if you would vote for this bill, and do you see the Internet as a source of revenue for the government in the years to come?“

Clinton said she wouldn’t support such legislation, but - ever careful - said she was basing her answer on what the moderator had said. ”Well, based on your description, I wouldn’t vote for that bill,“ Clinton said. ”It sounds burdensome and not justifiable to me.“

The only problem is that the proposed bill, ”602p,“ does not exist. The hoax has circulated widely over the Internet since April 1999, despite continuing attempts to knock it down.

Source: MS-NBC report on debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000

Hillary Clinton: Details of “Bill 602P” hoax

The debate’s moderator asked Clinton and Lazio: “How you stand on federal bill 602p?” The only problem is that the proposed bill, “602p,” does not exist. An advisory on the Postal Service’s Web site put it this way in May 1999: “A completely false rumor concerning the US Postal Service is being circulated on Internet e-mail. A similar hoax occurred recently concerning Canada Post. The e-mail message claims that a ‘Congressman Schnell’ has introduced ‘Bill 602P’ to allow the federal government to impose a 5-cent surcharge on each e-mail message delivered over the Internet. The money would be collected by Internet Service Providers and then turned over to the Postal Service. No such proposed legislation exists.“

The hoax has persisted despite warnings on some House members’ Web sites and despite the fact that ‘602p’ is not a valid designation for a congressional bill, which normally bears the preface of ”H.R.“ in the House and ”S“ in the Senate. Nor is there any member of Congress named Schnell.

Source: MS-NBC report on debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000

Rick Lazio: Keep the government’s hands off the Internet

The debate’s moderator asked Clinton and Lazio: “How you stand on federal bill 602p? Under the bill that’s now before Congress, the U.S. Postal Service would be able to bill e-mail users 5 cents for each e-mail they send. They want this to help recoup losses of about $230 million a year because of the proliferation of e-mail. But if you send just 10 e-mails a day, that would cost consumers an extra $180 a year. So I’m wondering if you would vote for this bill, and do you see the Internet as a source of revenue for the government in the years to come?“

Lazio was emphatic in his opposition. ”I am absolutely opposed to this,“ Lazio said. ”This is an example of the government’s greedy hand, in trying to take money from taxpayers that, frankly, it has no right to. We need to keep the government’s hands off the Internet.“

The only problem is that the proposed bill, ”602p,“ does not exist. The hoax has circulated widely over the Internet since April 1999, despite continuing attempts to knock it down.

Source: MS-NBC report on debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000

Rick Lazio: Details of “Bill 602P” hoax

The debate’s moderator asked Clinton and Lazio: “How you stand on federal bill 602p?” The only problem is that the proposed bill, “602p,” does not exist. An advisory on the Postal Service’s Web site put it this way in May 1999: “A completely false rumor concerning the US Postal Service is being circulated on Internet e-mail. A similar hoax occurred recently concerning Canada Post. The e-mail message claims that a ‘Congressman Schnell’ has introduced ‘Bill 602P’ to allow the federal government to impose a 5-cent surcharge on each e-mail message delivered over the Internet. The money would be collected by Internet Service Providers and then turned over to the Postal Service. No such proposed legislation exists.“

The hoax has persisted despite warnings on some House members’ Web sites and despite the fact that ‘602p’ is not a valid designation for a congressional bill, which normally bears the preface of ”H.R.“ in the House and ”S“ in the Senate. Nor is there any member of Congress named Schnell.

Source: MS-NBC report on debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000

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