Barack Obama in 2007 Democratic Primary Debate in Las Vegas, Nevada, Nov.15, 2007


On Health Care: Problem isn’t mandating coverage, but affording it

I do provide universal health care. The only difference between Clinton’s plan and mine is that she thinks the problem for people without health care is that nobody has mandated, forced them to get health care. What I see are people who would love to have health care & can’t afford it. My plan that makes sure that it is affordable to get health care as good as the health care that I have as a member of Congress. That’s what the American people are looking for & what I intend to provide as president.
Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada Nov 15, 2007

On Health Care: FactCheck: Coverage plan might leave 8.5 million uninsured

Both Clinton & Obama dabbled in exaggerations on their opponents’ health care plan. Clinton said, “His plan would leave 15 million Americans out. I have a universal health care plan that covers everyone.” Obama responded, “I do provide universal health care.”

Clinton uses a dubious statistic when she claims Obama’s plan would leave out 15 million of the uninsured. But Obama’s statement that his proposal provides “universal” health care is also suspect. Clinton based her claim on a column by The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn, who loosely estimated Obama’s plan would leave 15 million uninsured. Cohn offered an estimate based on the best information available, not a hard and fast calculation. The best available information says that Obama’s plan would leave between 8.5 million uninsured, up to 18 million people uninsured if Obama has no individual mandates. The Obama plan does include limited mandates, including a requirement for employers to either provide health insurance or pay into a public fund.

Source: FactCheck on 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Nov 15, 2007

On Homeland Security: Human rights and national security are complementary

Q: Is human rights more important than American national security?

A: The concepts are not contradictory, but complementary. Pakistan is a great example. We paid $10 billion over the last seven years & we had two goals: deal with terrorism and restore democracy. We’ve gotten neither. Pakistan’s democracy would strengthen our battle against extremists. The more we see repression, the more there are no outlets for how people can express themselves and their aspirations, the worse off we’re going to be, and the more anti-American sentiment there’s going to be in the Middle East. We keep on making this mistake. As president, I will make sure that nuclear weapons don’t fall into the hands of extremists, especially Al Qaida. If we simply prop up anti-democratic practices that feeds the sense that the US is only concerned about us and that our fates are not tied to these other folks. That’s going to make us less safe. That’s something I intend to change.

Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada Nov 15, 2007

On Immigration: Comprehensive solution includes employers & borders

What we have to do is create a comprehensive solution to the problem. As president I will make sure that we finally have the kind of border security that we need. Employers have to be held accountable. When we do those things, we can take the illegal aliens who are here, get them out of the shadows, make sure that they are subject to a stiff penalty, make sure that they’re learning English and go to the back of the line so they’re not getting an advantage over people who came here legally.
Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada Nov 15, 2007

On Immigration: Undocumented workers come here to work, not to drive

When I was a state senator in Illinois, I voted to require that illegal aliens get trained, get a license, get insurance to protect public safety. That was my intention. The problem we have here is not driver’s licenses. Undocumented workers do not come here to drive. They’re here to work. Instead of being distracting by what has now become a wedge issue, let’s focus on actually solving the problem that this administration, the Bush administration, had done nothing about it.
Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada Nov 15, 2007

On Immigration: Support granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants

Q: In the absence of comprehensive immigration reform, do you support driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants?

A: Yes. I am going to be fighting for comprehensive immigration reform, and we shouldn’t pose the question that, somehow, we can’t achieve that. The American people desperately want it; that’s what I’m going to be fighting for as president.

Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada Nov 15, 2007

On Immigration: FactCheck: Lightning IS likelier than employer prosecution

One Obama claim that we wondered about turned out to be true, or at least close enough. Obama said, “An employer has more of a chance of getting hit by lightning than being prosecuted for hiring an undocumented worker. That has to change.”

We find different estimates of the number of persons struck by lightning, ranging from 600 to 1,000 people killed or injured by lightning in the US per year. We have no idea how many of those lightning casualties are employers, let alone how many might have hired illegal aliens. What we do know is that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement service reports that in the most recent 12-month period on record, the total number of arrests of persons in the “employer supervisory chain” was 91.

Source: FactCheck on 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Nov 15, 2007

On Social Security: FactCheck: Removing $97,500 cap would be $1.3T tax increase

Clinton called Obama’s proposal to raise Social Security taxes on earnings over $97,500 per year, the current upper limit on which any tax is levied, a trillion-dollar increase on “middle class families.” Clinton said, “I do not want to fix the problems of Social Security on the backs of middle class families and seniors. If you lift the cap completely, that is a $1 trillion tax increase. I don’t think we need to do that.”

Taxing all earnings would indeed amount to a $1.3 trillion increase over the next 10 years alone, according to estimates by Cato Institute Social Security experts. A similar estimate comes from Citizens for Tax Justice, which figures the measure would bring in $124 billion per year.

Obama defended his proposal by saying it would fall only on the upper class: “Understand that only 6% of Americans make more than $97,000--so 6% is not the middle class--it’s the upper class.”

Source: FactCheck on 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Nov 15, 2007

On War & Peace: Surge strategy has made a difference in Iraq but failed

Q: Is Petraeus correct when he says that the troop increase is bringing security to Iraq?

A: There is no doubt that because we put American troops in Iraq, more American troops in Iraq, that they are doing a magnificent job. They are making a difference in certain neighborhoods. But the overall strategy is failed because we have not seen any change in behavior among Iraq’s political leaders. That is the essence of what we should be trying to do in Iraq. That’s why I’m going to bring this war to a close. That’s why we can get our combat troops out within 16 months and have to initiate the kind of regional diplomacy, not just talking to our friends, but talking to our enemies, like Iran and Syria, to try to stabilize the situation there. This year, we saw the highest casualty rates for American troops in Iraq since this war started. The same is true in Afghanistan. If we have seen a lowering violence rate, that’s only compared to earlier this year. We’re back to where we started back in 2006.

Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada Nov 15, 2007

The above quotations are from 2007 Democratic Primary Debate in Las Vegas, Nevada, Nov.15, 2007.
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